Ha Ha Sweet Irony, In the New Church of Francis, ‘The Cafeteria Catholics are the Conservatives!’

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The Rise of Conservative Cafeteria Catholicism

by – Fr. Longnecker

(Standing on my head)  –   When Benedict XVI and John Paul II were pope the conservative Catholics loved to throw around the phrase “cafeteria Catholic” as a term of derision.

It’s a name I used a fair bit to parody those Catholics who would pick and choose what bits of Catholicism they liked and rejected the bits they didn’t like. The “cafeteria Catholic” was a liberal who picked peace and justice issues but was silent on abortion. The “cafeteria Catholic” picked up on the fellowship of the Lord’s Supper but declined the idea the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Cafeteria Catholics liked the authority of the individual conscience but put Humanae Vitae on one side. They chose ecumenism but turned up their nose at Catholic exclusivism. They were all for “we are church” and rejected any form of hierarchy.

Isn’t it interesting how the shoe is on the other foot?

Now with Pope Francis the cafeteria Catholics are the conservatives. They splutter and fume at Pope Francis. He’s the pope, but they disagree with him about this and reject his words about that just as avidly and with as much fervor as the liberals used to reject Pope Benedict. They pick him to pieces, refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt and paint him as a terrible pope—just like the liberals did with Benedict. The liberals thought Benedict was a bad and inadequate pope. Ditto the conservatives with Francis.

The liberals were disrespectful and referred to Benedict as “Nazi Ratzi” and “the Enforcer”. Now the conservatives call Pope Francis “Casual Frank”, “Mr Bergoglio” or “The Unholy Father.” The liberal cafeteria Catholics had their theological arguments. They quoted this church document or that theologian. The conservatives either reject the Second Vatican Council altogether or they “correct” it by pulling up quotes from this Pope who condemned all heretics or that Council that rained down anathemas.

The conservatives liked to call the liberals “Protestants” because they were trying to make the church just as they wanted it. Now they’re doing the same. They didn’t like when the liberals grumbled and dissented against Pope Benedict. Now they grumble and dissent against Pope Francis.

Is it okay to criticize a pope? Sure. I’ve criticized Pope Francis–so much so that I’ve been called ” a fierce critic of Pope Francis.”

However, what I sense among some conservative Catholics is not only a growing dislike of Pope Francis, but a very unpleasant and self righteous hatred of him, and any attempt to put the Pope into context, explain the wider implications, praise Francis or unlock his gift to the church is met with cynicism, scorn and ridicule.

When Benedict was Pope the conservatives wanted the liberals to listen and learn from Benedict. They wanted the liberal cafeteria Catholics to take on the whole of the Catholic faith and submit to the authority of the rightful pope.

Now with Pope Francis they find it rather difficult to listen and learn.

Where did I put that dictionary of literary terms? I want to look up “irony”


“The protest of Martin Luther is over: Tony Palmer, the Protestant who no longer wanted to protest

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“The protest of Martin Luther is over. Tony Palmer, the Protestant who no longer wanted to protest

(Rome) In the last six months of this pontificate unexpectedly a man came to the stage, which was the Catholic public previously unknown. So fast seemed to be his star, he is also extinguished again. Reason enough to look a little closer, to understand what is happening around Pope Francis. This past July 20, died after a motorcycle accident in the UK and of futile hours in the operating room Anthony Joseph Palmer, Bishop Founded in 1995, Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches (CEEC), which belongs to the Anglican world community.Palmer was born in Britain, grew up in South Africa, was professionally initially worked in the insurance industry, married to an Italian, and was converted in adulthood to Christ. In the last six months of his life he became a “friend of Pope Francis’ international reputation. On Monday, July 28, he would have “secret” meeting of the Pope with Pastor Traettino of the Evangelical Church of Reconciliation should participate in Caserta.

Where today runs the break line?

“I understand Tony Palmer, because I went the same way,” Father Dwight Longenecker said a former American Protestant and former Anglican, now Catholic priest and the Internet, a well-known personality. “Growing up in a Protestant North American family, I have made myself on the search for the truly historic church and became Anglicans. This step has approached me to the catholicity and finally I was admitted to the communion of the Catholic Church. In this way, I have experienced the fullness of the faith of the Catholic Church and at the same time all the positive aspects of the Protestant and Anglican traditions. I do not deny the positive aspects, but it reinforced by my Catholic Will, “said Longenecker.


“For some time, the actual separation is no longer that between Catholics and Protestants, but between the Christians who believe in revealed religion and those Christians who believe in a relative religion. The real divide is now between the progressives who want to change suffered by Christ in the history of faith in the sense of a contemporary spirit and those who believe that the zeitgeist is challenge by the eternal and immutable truth of the Christian Gospel always new. Those who believe in a relative, progressive and modernist form of Christianity, despise the wonderful element of religion and think that the Church had to adapt to the needs of modern society completely on a sociological basis. ”

The evangelicals and charismatic Episcopal direction

In Tony Palmer to Father Longenecker recognized again. A young man who was really looking for Christ and in this way met the Pope. Palmer had risen to become a leading representative of the CEEC.  Almost 20 years ago from the Convergence Movement emerged that a larger group of conservative American Protestants, evangelical direction and with a charismatic style of prayer resulted since the 1970s to rediscover the liturgical and Episcopal tradition of the Anglican world community. The self-designation “church” does not say anything about the size of the different communities, which can range from a handful of believers to several tens of thousands. From this emerged several umbrella organizations of different evangelical charismatic Anglican churches. Such a merger is the CEEC. First archbishop was Michael Owen, after John Kikuva, an Anglican bishop from Kenya led the transition to the Episcopal tradition. Other bishops Old Catholic or Oriental tradition join the CEEC. Through the Mission Archbishop Robert Wise, the CEEC experienced their distribution in Europe. In Italy, the community was founded L’Arca in Todi, which was founded by the British Tony Palmer, who is married to an Italian. Palmer was ordained as a community leader from the CEEC to the bishop. Palmers community is interested in a particular way to a Celtic spirituality and the Christian origins in the British Isles. However, Todi never belonged to the Celtic area in Europe.

Meeting with Pope Francis on January 14 in Rome

When and how the Celtic-Anglican Bishop Tony Palmer and the Catholic Pope met is not known exactly. Both Palmer and Wise regularly took part in ecumenical meetings especially with charismatic Catholics. However, the decisive moment for Palmer seems to have been the last January 14, when he, in his capacity of the leaders of the International Ecumenical Officer was received by the Pope of the CEEC. The official bulletin of the Holy See was recorded on that day among the audiences: “His Grace Anthony Palmer, Bishop and International Ecumenical Officer for the Communion Evangelical Episcopal Churches”. Palmer was (now expanded to C9) received Oscar Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga of Tegucigalpa and a member of the C8 Cardinal Council immediately before Archbishop.

What was discussed in detail here, is not known to within a point: the Charismatic Evangelical Leadership Conference , in February took place a few weeks later in Texas under the leadership of Kenneth Copeland, one of the most famous and influential representatives of the Evangelical-Pentecostal movement Word of Faith . Palmer is reported to the Pope of it and have underlined the importance of this meeting within the evangelical Pentecostalism. The Pope sent the Leadership Conference in any case spontaneously a video message that was received by Palmer with his smartphone in place (see separate report unusual correspondence from the Vatican ).
The Pope wanted to take the opportunity by doing something that no Pope had done. He came into direct contact (albeit at a distance) to leading evangelicals. Whether the video message is now part of the official or private Magisterium of the Pope, lawyers and dogmatists may employ. The private teacher unfolds in any case its effect.

Palmer’s speech in Texas

The spontaneous video was pretty unspeakable best homespun, showing a pope who stammers a few English words, then speaks Italian and can translate in english subtitles. It seems to play no role. With the Anglicans Palmer before the assembled in Texas evangelicals spoke in February, he was attentive ear. Palmer spoke on this occasion actually only about Catholic: about the charismatic Catholics about the Catholic Church, through its long-standing friendship with Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio, about the conclave that chose this pope, about the emotions he felt when he saw those as the new Pope, which he considers one of his three spiritual fathers, about his Italian wife, who again took their Catholic faith and their children who are educated in the Catholic faith. And then, it seemed to not be denied, Palmer announced what was previously sure all present had thought impossible: a video message of the Catholic Pope to an evangelical meeting. The Protestant congregation watched and listened in amazement and silence. As it is said, is of the influential evangelicals present even someone who converted to the Catholic faith. Pope Francis talked about the “desire” for unity. A keyword that was well received in Texas. The message was there, does more than a thousand speeches ecumenical and inter-religious meeting. What does this mean on a dogmatic level, is difficult to evaluate.

Palmer had been under John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Shown sympathy for the Catholic Church. With Francis he wanted to work on the unity of the one Church. In Texas, Palmer told the evangelicals gathered there: “The protest of Martin Luther is over. And you? ”

The meeting on 19 June and Caserta

On June 19, Palmer was a member of the Evangelical-Pentecostal delegation was received by Pope Francis in the Vatican (see separate report Gimme Five between Pope Francis and tele-evangelist James Robison ). A meeting of the except of protocol took place. The Bulletin of the Holy See does not mention the encounter. A meeting, which has not officially taken place, was supposed to be just as the Pope’s visit last Monday in Caserta “private” as Vatican spokesman Father Lombardi stressed and therefore not part of the official acts of the Pope.

Nevertheless, the Holy See published now officially the Pope’s address before the charged in Caserta Evangelicals and Pentecostals. Thus, the visit will be charged subsequently made an official papal act.

Text: Giuseppe Nardi
image: CEEC Italy



A False Prophet Speaks: The vocations crisis is over because people who remember pre-Vatican II years are dying?!!! / Pope Leo XIII’s – APOSTOLICAE CURAE

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A False Prophet Speaks ( Fr. Longenecker): The Vocations Crisis is Over

When I say this is a prophecy I don’t want to suggest that I have had some sort of supernatural vision. This is not a prophecy in that sense, but a prophecy because prophets not only sometimes have supernatural revelations, but they are people who are also able to see the big picture, understand the times and circumstances and know the past so they can therefore predict the future.

So here is my prediction: the vocations crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States is over.

Here’s why: Fifty years after the revolution of the Second Vatican Council we are moving on from the tensions it created. Those tensions existed because Catholics kept comparing the pre-Vatican II church to the post-Vatican II church. The ones who did this most were the folks who went through the Vatican II revolution. The Vatican II modern Catholics–for their whole life–could not help but compare the “new” church to the “old” church. Everything was viewed through that lens. A pope, bishop, priest or theologian was therefore either “conservative” and “pre Vatican 2″ and trying to turn the clock back or they were “liberal” in favor of the “Spirit of Vatican 2″ and progressive.

To be blunt, those people are old. Not only are they dying out, but their ideas are dying out. Their places are being taken by a younger generation of Catholics who do not remember the Vatican 2 wars. The old folks would like to brand the young Catholics as “conservatives” or “traditionalists” or even “arch conservatives”. Some of them are, burt most of them are not. They are young. They’re smart and they simply want to be Catholic. They’re not buying into the whole liberal agenda, but most of them also don’t care that much for the traditionalist agenda.

Read more – http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2014/07/a-prophecy-the-vocations-crisis-is-over.html


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Pope Leo XIII’s Apostolicae Curae


This is the Papal Bull by Pope Leo XIII issued on September 18, 1896. It officially alerted the Catholic world and Anglicans that those ordained in Anglican rite of Holy Orders is not a true sacrament and therefore Anglican priests are not true priests, their Orders are null and void, and therefore no sacrament is confected, ergo NO True Presence on Anglican, Episcopal or Novus Ordo “altars” for His Holiness Leo XIII also referred to the nullity of episcopal consecrations (consecration of bishops). When one studies the Anglican rite and what the Magisterium of the Church rightly rejected, one is shocked that those Anglican rites are actually much more Catholic than newchurch’s revamped synthetic so-called sacrament of Holy Orders, fashioned illegally by Giovanni Montini in 1968 with his novel revolutionary New Order nonsense in the counterfeit church of conciliarism. If Leo, through thorough study, prayer, and consultation with the infallible perennial Magisterium of the Church, determined that the Anglican rite is null and void, then there is no doubt that the Novus Ordorite of Holy Orders and episcopal consecration since 1968 have to be NULL AND VOID as well.