The Medjugorje Hoax / What Francis really meant with his words about those who consult seers in search of novelty

Bergoglio blesses another Medjugorje statue!

Bergoglio blesses another Medjugorje statue!

The Medjugorje Hoax

To demonstrate briefly by means of events and quotes that the apparitions at Medjugorje, because of their banality or lack of dignity, the containing of heresy in the messages, and their undermining of Church authority, are certainly false, and cannot have come from Our Lady and Heaven.

1) Banality or Lack of Dignity.

According to the “Treatise on Mystical Theology,” by Fr. Farges (1923), “Whereas the divine vision always conforms to the gravity and majesty of heavenly things, diabolical figures will infallibly have something unworthy of God, something ridiculous, extravagant, disorderly, or unreasonable about them.”

A) Thursday, June 25, 1981: “(The seer) Mirjana asked Our Lady to leave us a sign…and the hands of Mirjana’s watch turned.” (book of Fr. Yanko Bubalo, p.22-25)

B) Saturday, June 27, 1981: The seers stated that the Virgin had disappeared several times because people had trod on her veil. (Bubalo, p.29-32)

C) Aug. 2, 1981: That evening during the apparition, those present followed one another in order to touch “the veil, the head, the hand, the dress” of the apparition. “At the end the Virgin seemed dirty, full of stains.” (Bubalo, p.73-74)

D) Sept. 4, 1981: Seer Vicka in her diary writes: “We questioned her (the Virgin) about the man who saw Jesus in the street, when he was driving in his car. He met a man who was all bloodstained – this man was Jesus – who gave him a bloodstained handkerchief, telling him (the driver) to throw it in the river. Going on his way, he met a lady – it was the Blessed Virgin Mary; she asked the driver for the bloodstained handkerchief. The man gave a handerchief belonging to himself, but the Virgin asked for the bloodstained one. ‘If he had not given it to me, it would have been the last judgment for all.’ The Virgin said that that (event) was true. (report of Bishop Zanic, 1990, in whose diocese of Mostar, the apparition took place.)

E) Autumn, 1981: Jakov asked the Virgin whether Dynamo, the soccer team from Zagreb, would win the title. This gave rise, during the apparition (in the supposed presence of Our Lady) to mad laughter on the part of the other seers. (Bubalo, p.154-157)

F) Sept. 8, 1981: Jakov shook hands with the Virgin. “Dear Holy Virgin, I wish you a happy birthday.” (“The Virgin Mary is Appearing in Yugoslavia,” by Fr. Marian Ljubic, p. 42)

G) August 5, 1985: Mirjana says that she has received from Heaven a white sheet on which the secrets will become legible in due time. But she won’t show the sheet. (Report of Fr. Rene Laurentin)

H) “One day, as she (Mirjana) was waiting for the Virgin, she saw the light, and out of the light came the devil, disguised in the features and clothes of Mary, but he had a dark, hideous face…After a while, the Holy Virgin came and said to her: ‘I am sorry about that…'” (“Yugoslavia and the BVM” by Tequi)

(…who is really appearing there?)

2) An Apparition Teaching Error and Heresy

A) Fr. Tomislav Vlasic: “Do you feel the Virgin as she who gives graces (which is the traditional Catholic doctrine of Mary, the Mediatrix of All Graces) or as she who prays to God? (true also, but in conformity with some Protestant theology and not the fulness of Catholic teaching.) Vicka: “As she who prays to God.” (“Is the Virgin Mary Appearing at Medjugorje? by Fr. Rene Laurentin, 1984, p.135-136, 154)

B) The Virgin was accustomed to reciting the Our father with the seers. (But how could Our Lady say: “Forgive us our trespasses,” since she has none? At Lourdes, Our Lady was careful to keep her lips closed during all the Paters and Aves, reciting only the Gloria Patris.)

C) Mirjana: “I recently asked the Virgin this question (whether many souls are damned), and she told me that nowadays most souls go to Purgatory.” (book by Fr. Faricy, p. 64)

(…a comforting thought, perhaps, but opposite to the teaching of Fatima, St. Louis de Montfort, Pope Gregory the Great, St. Alphonsus, St. Anthony Claret, St. Augustine, etc., etc.)

D) Oct. 1, 1981: “All religions are equal before God,” says the Virgin. (Chronological Corpus of Medjugorje, p. 317)

E) The Virgin: “I do not dispose of all graces…Jesus prefers that you address your petitions directly to him, rather than through an intermediary.” (Chron. Corp. p.181, 277-278)

F) “In God there are no divisions or religions; it is you in the world who have created divisions.” (Faricy, p.51)

G) “God directs all denominations as a king directs his subjects, through the medium of his ministers” (“The Apparitions at Medjugorje,” by Fr. Svat Kraljevic, 1984, p.58)

H) “Each one’s religion must be respected, and you must preserve yours for yourselves and for your children.” (Kraljevic, p.68)

I) “The Virgin added: ‘It is you who are divided on this earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, like the Catholics, are equal before my Son and before me, for you are all my children.” (Fr. Ljubic, p.71)

(…unbaptized Muslims equal to the baptized, who by this fact are the adopted children of God?)

3) The Undermining of Church Authority

A) June 21, 1983: The Virgin states: “Tell the Father Bishop (Zanic) that I request his urgent conversion to the events of the Medjugorje parish…I am sending him the penultimate warning. If he is not converted, or will not be converted, my judgment as well as that of my Son Jesus will strike him.” (Seer Ivanka writing to Bishop Zanic)

B) Dec. 26, 1983: …But the Virgin takes the side of the chief propagandist for Medjugorje: “Our Lady prays for this work (i.e., the writings of Fr. Rene Laurentin.) May he who undertakes it do so in prayer, which is where he will find his inspiration.” (Laurentin, p.105-111)

C) August 1, 1984: The Virgin says: “Make the priests read the Abbe Laurentin’s book and spread it.” (A Franciscan from Belgrade received this reply, when he had the seers bring up the matter to the Virgin.)

D) From August, 1984, to April, 1985, the apparitions continued to take place in the parish church despite the Bishop of Mostar’s former prohibition. (A certain sign of a false apparition, when Church authority is disobeyed by the apparition itself.)

E) Jan. 1982: The Virgin states that two Franciscan priests, removed from their order and under suspension by the bishop, one of whom later fathered a child by a nun, may continue to say Mass and hear Confessions. Vicka the seer is asked “If the Lady said this, and the Pope says that they cannot…” Vicka answers: “The Pope can say what he wants. I’m telling it as it is.” (from Bishop Zanic’s document, 1990)

(…obedience to an apparition greater than obedience to the Pope?)


Medjugorje ignores the great hope of Fatima: the consecration of Russia and its conversion, followed by peace, with the triumph of the Immaculate Heart.

Dec. 8, 1984: Fr. Gobbi, founder of the Marian Movement of Priests, receives a locution from “Mary,” informing him that she has been appearing at Medjugorje.

Therefore, if Medjugorje is a fraud, so are Fr. Gobbi and his locutions.

Finally, Medjugorje has heavy overtones of Charismaticism, a movement which infiltrated the Church from Protestantism in the late 1960’s; Medjugorje is still in progress, as of this writing (1999), its length resembling the nonsense apparitions of Bayside, NY, and Necedah, Wisc. rather than the succinctness of Fatima or Lourdes.

A reminder to all:

The official Church teaching concerning private revelation is explained by Pope Benedict XIV (18th century.):

[The Church] simply permits them [private revelations] to be published for the instruction and the edification of the faithful. The assent to be given to them is not therefore an act of Catholic Faith but of human faith, based upon the fact that these revelations are probable and worthy of credence.

“St. John of the Cross asserts that the desire for revelations deprives faith of its purity, develops a dangerous curiosity that becomes a source of illusions, fills the mind with vain fancies, and often proves the want of humility, and of submission to Our Lord, Who, through His public revelation, has given all that is needed for salvation.

“We must suspect those apparitions that lack dignity or proper reserve, and above all, those that are ridiculous. This last characteristic is a mark of human or diabolical machination.”

Catholic Apologetics 

Beware of False Prophets

Beware of False Prophets

What Francis really meant with his words about those who consult seers in search of novelty

The Pope cautions faithful against turning to seers to learn “exactly what message Our Lady will be sending at 4’o’clock this afternoon,” in other words, those who turn their life into a series of messages, private revelations, secrets and predictions about the future.

In the homily he pronounced at yesterday’s mass in St. Martha’s House, Francis spoke about “those who are constantly searching for some “novelty” in their Christian identity,” “forgetting that they were chosen, anointed,” that “they have the seal of the Holy Spirit” and they go in search of seers, asking: ‘Where are the seers who can tell us exactly what message Our Lady will be sending at 4’o’clock this afternoon?‘ And their lives depend on this. This identity is not Christian. God’s final word is “Jesus” and nothing else.”

These words come three days after the announcement of an imminent decision on the Medjugorje case, which Francis mentioned on his return trip from Sarajevo. Many connected the two things, interpreting his homily almost as the anticipation of a negative pronouncement on the phenomenon which began in Herzegovina in 1981 and has not yet reached a conclusion.

This is not the first time Francis has expressed himself in these terms. On 13 November 2013, during a sermon in St. Martha’s House, he criticised the spirit of curiosity, which impels us to want to feel that “the Lord is here or rather there, or leads us to say: “But I know a visionary, who receives letters from Our Lady, messages from Our Lady”. “But, look, Our Lady is the Mother of everyone! And she loves all of us. She is not a postmaster, sending messages every day,” the Pope added. Even then, the words he pronounced at mass were linked to Medjugorje, even though he could also have been referring to other phenomena of this kind and especially to the attitude of those who transform faith into insane curiosity.

The Medjugorje apparitions, initially involved a group of children and continued under the form of private apparitions that still continue today, at specific times and on a daily basis. The Holy See does not want seers to take part in public demonstrations trumpeting the authenticity of the apparitions as a definite, even mentioning the times in advertising campaigns.

Of the six initial seers, three confirm that they still see the Virgin Mary at the same time in the afternoon, wherever they are; one of them witnesses an apparition every 2nd day of the month, while the latter two see one apparition a year.

It is hard to imagine that the Pope intended to anticipate the decision on Medjugorje with his words in the St. Martha House mass. After the exhaustive and balanced work carried out by the commission of experts and theologians, which Benedict XVI decided to set up, appointing Cardinal Camillo Ruini as head, the case passed into the hands of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The Congregation will be discussing it in the coming days. The outcome will then be presented to Francis.

When Ruini’s report was delivered to the Pope in January 2014, the Commission approved the first apparitions witnessed in the summer of 1981 but expressed its doubts over the apparitions which followed and have not yet come to an end, even though no proof was found of trickery or deceit. Similarly, in the case of the Fatima apparitions of 1917, the Church approved these but not those which followed, along with the revelations that Sister Lucia dos Santos has continued to have.

The issue of the healing of millions of pilgrims that go to pray in Medjugorje every year, in the parish chapel, which according to many could become a shrine under the direct tutelage of the Holy See, is completely different and separate from the pronouncement on the supernatural aspect of the event. Pastoral care for faithful is one of the aspects Pope Francis holds closest to his heart, having always valued popular devotion as an archbishop in Argentina.

We must not forget how varied the world of private revelations is, with so-called seers and pseudo-seers and the web has blown up these phenomena. Here is an example that occurred recently: on 9 May, during the course of a meeting that lasted all but a few minutes, at the end of the rosary prayer in the Vatican Gardens, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI was handed a sizable book  with a dark red coloured cover and a shell-shaped seal. Neither the Pope Emeritus, not his personal secretary, Archbishop Georg Gänswein knew what it was about. They had no knowledge of the contents, nor did they know the identity of the two envoys sent to represent “seer” Franca Miscio, better known as “Conchiglia”, founder of an international movement whose model figures are Guadalupe and Juan Diego.

The “messages” received from the fake seer are easy to find online. Conchiglia presents herself as a prophetess of our time and fills pages and pages with words that she assures come directly from God, Jesus and Mary. One of the strangest “revelations” she makes is an unshakable belief that aliens exist and that “alien DNA” has mixed with “Terrestrian” DNA so that there are now “alien beings” ruling the world.

The Vatican is described in the “prophesies” as den of all evils: “The Vatican is the center of the global power that wants to create a single global religion uniting all false religions … it is the den of the seven deadly sins and other kinds of vileness.” In addition, Conchiglia deifies the figure of Mary.

The false seer wrote a great deal about Benedict XVI’s resignation. She claims his resignation resulted from the workings of international masonry and that Ratzinger is apparently still the real and legitimate Pope, while Francis, whom she defines as a “wicked man seated at the Throne of Peter”, is an “imposter”, an anti-Pope, a representative of the Anti-Christ. These comments speak for themselves.

Various figures have recently warned against Conchiglia’s “messages”, including the Bishop of Jesi (Italy), Gerardo Rocconi who met her in person and the Bishop of Senigallia (Italy), Giuseppe Orlandoni, who has repeatedly described the words of the false seer as “objectively heretical and against the doctrine of the Church”.

Conchiglia’s movement has published the images of the meeting with the Pope Emeritus on her website, making them stand out and presenting him almost as a guarantee seal for the messages contained in the book. But Archbishop Georg Gänswein, Prefect of the Papal Household and personal secretary to Benedict XVI clarified what happened in a statement to Vatican Insider.

Answering a series of questions put to him by Vatican Insider: “A certain Mr. Mimmo Rocco who presented himself as chief superintendent of the Italian Carabinieri, had asked some time ago, along with many others, to meet the Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI. He was granted a brief meeting after the rosary. There were two of them, him and one other person. They didn’t know each other. During the meeting, they presented Benedict XVI with a book, as shown in a series of photos published on the website. We had no knowledge of the content. The meeting only lasted a few minutes.”

“When I got home,” Gänswein continued, “I looked at the book and so did Benedict XVI later on. We were surprised and shocked because we noticed straight away that the book contained some “private revelations”. It didn’t take long to work out that the whole thing was strange and incredible to say the least. The Pope Emeritus asked me to send the book to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which is competent in this field, immediately.”

“We didn’t think anything of the meeting,” Mgr. Gänswein concluded. “There are many people around who call themselves “seers”… We had no idea that the book contained those comments. Naturally, there is no support for the “seer” or the contents of the book in any way. Had Benedict XVI known that he was going to be given a collection of messages of this kind, he would never have agreed to the meeting”.  



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